Rick Warren’s Purpose Driven Life ®
A Rebuttal by Robert E. Klenck,
M.D.
[Bob Klenck's comments are in
brackets.]
Pages
[LOVE!!!
No wrath, judgment, human depravity, repentance, reverential
fear of God, or a literal burning hell. None of the Biblical
limits or measures regarding human relationships or commands
to carry out Biblical separation are mentioned. The closest
that Pastor Warren comes to this is on page 150, when he misapplies
the scripture regarding heretics (Tit 3:10), stating that
“divisive” people should be confronted, as opposed
to rejecting heretics after the second admonition.
On page 31, he states that our purpose is to be our standard,
and on page 186, he declares that we must accept the Bible
as the authoritative standard for our lives. Yet, he doesn’t
tell us which of the fifteen translations and paraphrases
that he quotes from is “the authoritative standard for
our lives.”]
[The
following scriptures are not referred to:]
Acts 17:11
These (Bereans) were more noble than those in Thessalonica,
in that they received the word with all readiness of mind,
and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were
so.(KJV)
2 Pet 3:16
As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things;
in which are some things hard to be understood, which they
that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the
other scriptures, unto their own destruction.(KJV)]
Page: 9 “Whenever God wanted to prepare someone for
his purposes, he took 40 days:”
10 [Noah’s “purpose”
– to preach righteousness for 120 years, and provide
a means to escape the coming judgment. His life was not “transformed
by 40 days of rain.”
Moses –
Spies – Num. 14 10 came back after searching the land
for 40 days, started murmurings, were killed with plagues.
David – 1 Sam 17
Elijah – 1 King 19
Ninevah – Jonah 3]
“Jesus was empowered by 40 days in the wilderness.”
[– wrong: He was tempted. Mk 1:13]
“ The disciples were transformed by forty days with
Jesus after His resurrection.” [versus
on the day of Pentecost.]
11 “Real spiritual growth is never an isolated, individualistic
pursuit.”
.”
[What about Noah and John the
Baptist – their ministries were individualistic in nature.]
12 “… let’s sign a covenant together. …
Let’s get started together!”
13 [Covenant to sign.]
17 “… everything got started in him and finds
its purpose in him. Col
1:16 (Msg)”
[Col 1:16 For by him were all things
created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible
and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities,
or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: (KJV)]
“It’s not about you.”
[The rest of the book IS all about you.]
19 “Self-help books, even Christian ones, usually offer
the same predictable steps to finding your life’s purpose:
Consider your dreams. Clarify your values. Set some goals.
Figure out what you are good at. Aim high. Go for it! Be disciplined.
Believe you can achieve your goals. Involve others. Never
give up.” …“This is not a self-help book.”
313 What is a Life Purpose statement?
-summarizes God’s purposes for your life [considers
your dreams]
-points the direction of your life [believe
that you can achieve your goals]
-defines “success” for you [sets
goals]
-clarifies your roles [go for it]
-expresses your shape [finds out what
you are good at]
The majority of this book is about
involving others. Thus, from Warren’s own definition,
this IS a self-help book.
[Ron Lippitt (a transformational Marxist),
… developed the idea of a “preferred vision”
… All of the corporate “vision” and “mission’setting”
consultations of the 1980s would later descend from this practice.”
Art Kleiner, The Age of Heretics: Heroes, Outlaws, and the
Forerunners of Corporate Change, p. 41.]
[Matt 7:18
A good tree cannot bring forth evil
fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.(KJV)]
21 “The purpose of your life fits into a much larger,
cosmic purpose that God has designed for eternity.”
29 “Others (people) are driven by peer pressure, always
worried by what others might think. Unfortunately, those who
follow the crowd usually get lost in it.”
[Claiming that this is not group think,
when it is exactly that – group think.]
30 ‘Without God, life has no purpose, and without purpose,
life has no meaning. Without meaning, life has no significance
or hope. ...
The greatest tragedy is not death, but life without
purpose. … The greatest tragedy is not death, but life
without purpose.”
[No, life without God is the greatest
tragedy.]
31 “Your purpose becomes the standard you use to evaluate
which activities are essential and which aren’t.
[No, the blessed Word of God is to
be the standard we use to evaluate every aspect of our lives.]
“Without a clear purpose you have no foundation on
which you base decisions, allocate your time, and use your
resources.”
32 “The power of focusing can be seen in light. …
When light is focused … as a laser beam, it can cut
through steel.”
37. [Hell defined
–] “…if
you reject his love (Arminian), forgiveness, and salvation,
you will spend eternity apart from God forever.” [–
wrong concept of hell]
“Tragically, many people will have to endure eternity
without God because they chose to live without him here on
earth.”
p. 85 – “eternal punishment” [no
further elaboration of this concept]
p. 112 – “eternity in hell” [not
defined]
38. [Weird “vibes”:]
“Every act in our lives strikes some chord that will
vibrate in eternity.”
46. “Luke 12:48b
(NIV)
From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded;
and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more
will be asked.”
[beaten with stripes - avoided by Warren)]
[Luke 12:48 But he that
knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be
beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given,
of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed
much, of him they will ask the more.
(KJV) beaten with stripes (areas stricken
out are areas avoided by Warren)]
53. “Pro 16:4 (NLT)
The LORD has made everything for his own purposes.”
even the wicked for the day of evil.(KJV)]
[Prov 16:4 The LORD hath
made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the
day of evil.(KJV)]
“What is the glory of God? It is who God is. It is
the essence of His nature, the weight of His importance, the
radiance of His splendor, the demonstration of His power,
and the atmosphere of His other intrinsic, eternal qualities.”
[judgment, anger, wrath (areas stricken
out are areas avoided by Warren)]
54. God is … creative. [-not The
Creator]
54-55. [Sin - (defined)] –
“All sin, at its root, is failing to give God glory.”
55. “There are many ways to bring glory to God, but
they can be summarized in God’s five purposes for your
life.” [-- Thus, since sin has
been defined as failing to give God glory, then fulfilling
God’s five purposes for your life (as summarized by
Rick Warren), becomes equivalent to not sinning.]
“God’s five purposes for your life:
Worshiping
Loving other Believers
Serving Others
Becoming like Christ
Telling others about Him”
57. “Living the rest of your life for the glory of
God…will sometimes mean choosing a difficult path instead
of an easy one.”
[No, not sometimes – always: 2 Tim
3:12 "Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall
suffer persecution." (KJV) Matt 10:38 "And he that taketh not
his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me."(KJV)]
58. [Arminian – ] “
… if you will just make the choice to live for him.”
[God is misrepresented, thus, those
who choose to live for Him, are living for a loving God, who
is not holy, angry or a God of righteous judgment, they have
not been commanded to repent, for them sin has been misdefined,
and they have no fear of a literal, burning hell.]
Furthermore, this book says:
“First believe. Believe God loves you and made you
for his purposes. Believe you’re not an accident. Believe
you were made to last forever. Believe God has chosen you
to have a relationship with Jesus, who died on the cross for
you. …
[Why? – no mention of sins and
propiation here – the reason behind His sacrifice on
the cross – the fact that in order to execute the righteous
judgment for our sins, that His sacrifice was required.
Heb 9:22 And almost all
things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding
of blood is no remission.(KJV)]
… “Believe that no matter what you’ve done,
God wants to forgive you.”
[What about the unpardonable sin?
-
Matt 12:31
31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy
shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the
Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.(KJV)]
[Repentance and remission
of sins were not mentioned:
Luke 24:46-7 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus
it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the
third day: And that repentance and remission of sins should
be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.(KJV)]
[Warren goes on to quote The Message:]
“The Bible says, “Whoever accepts and trusts
the Son gets in on everything, life complete and forever!
John 3:36 The Message”
[What the Bible really
says:
John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life:
and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but
the wrath of God abideth on him.(KJV)]
[Warren avoids the mention of God’s
wrath.
64. “He wants you to enjoy life, not just endure it.
The reason you are able to enjoy pleasure is that God made
you in his image.”
[Firstly, man was made in the image of God
PRIOR to the fall of man – man is no longer in the image of
God.
[Once again, the Bible says:
Eccl 2:1 I said in mine
heart, Go to now, I will prove thee with mirth, therefore
enjoy pleasure: and, behold, this also is vanity.(KJV)
Heb 11:24
By faith Moses, when he was come to
years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter;
25 Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of
God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;(KJV)
These are a couple of examples of the numerous
verses exhorting believers to endure, not enjoy.
Another:
2 Tim 3:12 Yea, and all
that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.(KJV)]
64-5 [Inclusive of Catholicism and
charismatic “worship” – stating:]
“Worship can include … “ceremonies, candles,
[charismatic] healing, miracles,
and ecstatic experiences .”
[
[Also, in Appendix 3, p. 326 –
Warren quotes/utilizes Catholic Bible translations in the text
of this book.]
[October 12-13, 1999 interview with
Hank Hanegraaff, Warren describes churches such as Vineyard,
and Melodyland as “good Bible churches.” –
Churches that Hanegraaf would usually come against for their
non-Biblical ecstatic experiences.]
“God loves all kinds of music because he invented
it all”
Did God create the satanic rock and roll lyrics
that are played over our airwaves today?]
73 “Jesus’ sacrifice” [–
reason for it not mentioned.]
“thank him for what he has done” [what
He has done – not defined.]
75 “Anytime you reject any part of yourself, you are
rejecting God’s wisdom and sovereignty in creating you.”
[Matt 16:24 Then said Jesus
unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him
deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.(KJV)
Gal 5:24 And they that are
Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and
lusts.(KJV)]
76 “He knows you are incapable of being perfect or
sinless.”
[Matt 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as
your Father which is in heaven is perfect.(KJV)]
Matt 5:48
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven
is perfect.(KJV)
Verse to Remember: “The Lord is pleased with those
who worship him and trust his love.”
Psalm
147:11 (CEV)
Ps 147:11
The LORD taketh pleasure in them that fear him, in those that
hope in his mercy.(KJV)
**80-1
Rick Warren, by his own definition,
is not surrendered to God. “You know you’re surrendered
to God when you rely on God to work things out instead of
trying to manipulate others, force your agenda, and control
the situation.”
81 “our self-centered nature.” [Contradicts
p 75 – which stated that we are not to reject any part of
ourselves.]
84 Verse to Remember: “Surrender your whole being to
him to be used for righteous purposes.” Romans
6:13b (TEV)
Rom 6:13
Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness
unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are
alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness
unto God.(KJV)
89 “Practicing the presence of God is a skill, a habit
you can develop.”
Benedictine monks use hourly chimes of a clock to remind
them to pause and pray “the hour prayer.”
93 God encourages us to complain about Him, second guess
Him, accuse Him, and argue with Him, and on page 97, to wrestle
with Him.
98 The truth is -- you are as close to God as you choose
to be.
98
Implies that God won’t allow pain in your life,
if you’re truly devoted to Him. – “If you’ve
just been going through the motions spiritually, don’t
be surprised when God allows pain in your life.”
[Once again, OUR CHOICE is emphasized. -1 Cor
12:24 For our comely parts have no need: but God hath
tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour
to that part which lacked:(KJV) – it is God who chose us, and
is placing us for service – not we ourselves.
John 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have
chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth
fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye
shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.(KJV)]
104
[Encourages you to open up your mind to that
which is untrue] –
different translations and paraphrases of the Bible. [Better to
study Greek and Hebrew, so that you might find the intended
meaning of the scripture by moving closer to the original
texts, rather than steps further from those texts.]
104-5
Twists 1 Cor 14:16-17:
“Being sensitive to unbelievers who visit your worship
gatherings is a biblical command. To ignore this command is
to be both disobedient and unloving.”
1 Cor 14:16
Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that
occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving
of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?
17 For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not
edified.(KJV)
“Worship Can Be a Witness” – Purpose-Driven
Church (PDC) p. 241 – “More people are won to
Christ by feeling God’s presence than by all of our
apologetic arguments combined. … It is the sense of
God’s presence that melts hearts and explodes mental
barriers.” (No scripture referred
to.) …
Ps 51:13
Then will I teach transgressors thy ways; and sinners shall
be converted unto thee.(KJV)
Rom 10:17
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of
God.(KJV)
Purpose-DrivenTM Church (PDC) p. 244 -> “…
the message doesn’t have to be compromised, just understandable.
… Changing the environment could be done through …
the Bible translation you preach from.”
PDC P. 247 : “Three nonnegotiable elements of a seeker
service: (1) treat unbelievers with love and respect, (2)
relate the service to their needs, and (3) share the message
in a practical, understandable manner. All other elements
are secondary issues that churches shouldn’t get hung
up on.
PDC p. 249 Spiritual maturity means giving up your absolutes
(compromising) for the sake of unbelievers. – “Offering
a seeker service … requires members who are willing
to create a safe environment for unbelievers at the expense
of their own preferences, traditions, and comfort. Enormous
spiritual maturity is required to voluntarily move out of
a comfort zone.”
108
Ascribes
Psalm 22:1
to David, “Yet David frequently complained of God’s
apparent absence:” [when
this prophetic Psalm is actually the words of Jesus]:
Ps 22:1 My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art
thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?
(KJV)
109 Sin defined as: “disobedience, conflict with others
[not limited to other believers, and busyness, friendship
with the world, and other sins. [Then
he references a scripture regarding Christians:
conflict with
others
[not limited to other believers, [Then
he references a scripture regarding Christians: 1 Cor
8:12 "But when ye sin so against the brethren,
and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ.(KJV),
[we may even have conflict with other believers ie Paul and
Barnabas],
1 Cor 8:12
But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak
conscience, ye sin against Christ.(KJV), [we
may even have conflict with other believers as Paul and Barnabas],
busyness, friendship with the world [James
4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship
of the world is enmity with God? Whosoever therefore will
be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.(KJV)],
and other sins.”
“Will you continue to love, trust, obey, and worship
God, even when you have no sense of his presence or visible
evidence of his work in your life?”
110 “Did you know that admitting your hopelessness
to God can be a statement of faith?
Ps 116:10 I believed, therefore have I spoken: I was greatly
afflicted:(KJV)
[No, our
belief is our statement of faith – merely acknowledging our
own depravity is not enough – we must believe on Him:
Acts 2:21 "And it shall come to pass,
that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be
saved." (KJV)]
[David believed, thus he confessed his
own depravity – he humbled himself before almighty God.]
112 Jesus took all of mankind’s sin and guilt upon
himself,
[Universalism] Versus
Limited Atonement.
Heb 9:28 So Christ was
once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that
look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto
salvation.(KJV)
– does not say the sins of all, the scripture
says the sins of MANY].
113 2 Cor 5:21
“Christ was without sin, but for our sake God made him
share your sin in order that in union with him we might share
the righteousness of God.(TEV)”
[Thus, according to Warren, we become
equivalent with God.]
Actually, 2 Cor 5:21 says:
“For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no
sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
(KJV)”
Thus, we become equivalent with God.
118 James 1:18
And it was a happy day for him when he gave us our new lives
through the truth of his Word, and we became, as it were,
the first children in his new family.(TLB)
James 1:18 Of his own
will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be
a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.(KJV)
1 Pet 1:3
All honor to God, the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ;
for it is his boundless mercy that has given us the privilege
of being born again so that we are now members of God's own
family. Now we live in the hope of eternal life because Christ
rose again from the dead.
(TLB)
1 Pet 1:3
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which
according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto
a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the
dead, (KJV)
“The invitation to be part of God’s family is
universal.” [Versus Limited Atonement]
Is it?: Matt
22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.(KJV)
John 3:16-17
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but
have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the
world; but that the world through him might be saved.(KJV)
Did He save the whole world. Does “the
world” here mean everybody?
124 Relationships must have priority in your life above everything
else.
[There are Biblical frameworks within which
relationships must remain: None are mentioned in Mr. Warren’s
book – except when he stated “that we are to confront those
who cause division among Christians.”(p. 150) (text referred
to concerns heretics: - please see the notes regarding p. 150
below)
2 Cor 6:14-17-14 Be ye not unequally yoked
together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath
righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath
light with darkness? 15 And what concord hath Christ with
Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for
ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will
dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and
they shall be my people. 17 Wherefore come out from among
them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the
unclean thing; and I will receive you,(KJV)
Num 16:21- Separate yourselves from among this
congregation, that I may consume them in a moment. (KJV)
Rom 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them
which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine
which ye have learned; and avoid them.
There are Biblical frameworks within which relationships
must remain: [None are mentioned in Mr. Warren’s book
– except when he stated “that we are to confront
those who cause division among Christians.”(p. 150)
[text referred to concerns heretics]:
2 Cor 6:14-17
14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for
what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and
what communion hath light with darkness?
15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part
hath he that believeth with an infidel?
16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for
ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will
dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God,
and they shall be my people.
17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate,
saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will
receive you,
(KJV)
Num 16:21
21 Separate yourselves from among this congregation, that
I may consume them in a moment.(KJV)
Rom 16:17
17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions
and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned;
and avoid them.
1 Cor 5:11-13
11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if
any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous,
or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner;
with such an one no not to eat.
12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without?
do not ye judge them that are within?
13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away
from among yourselves that wicked person.(KJV)
125 Mother Teresa quoted: “It’s not what you
do, but how much love you put into it that matters.”
[Does this mean that prostitution is
okay, as long as it is done with love?]
Untrue:
Rom 10:2-3 (referring
to Israel)
2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but
not according to knowledge.
3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going
about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted
themselves unto the righteousness of God.(KJV)
Like Israel, Mother Theresa has a
zeal for God, and had love but, it is not according to knowledge,
and she did not submit herself unto the righteousness of God.
130 “The Bible knows nothing of solitary saints or spiritual
hermits isolated from other believers and deprived of fellowship.”
John the Baptist, Stephen, Jeremiah, Noah, Ezekiel, Paul,
etc..
Matt 3:1-5
1 In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness
of Judaea,
2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
3 For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias,
saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare
ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
4 And the same John had his raiment of camel's hair, and a
leathern girdle about his loins; and his meat was locusts
and wild honey.
5 Then went out to him Jerusalem, and all Judaea, and all
the region round about Jordan,(KJV)
131 You discover your role in life through your relationships
with others. (Shift from God to man.) “(an organ) cannot
exist on its own, and neither can you.”
133 “It (the church) is a lab for practicing unselfish,
sympathetic love. … the New Testament truth of being
connected and dependent on each other.17
[Our
dependency should be on Christ, and Him alone, our
relationships with each other should be the natural outflowing
of our relationship with Christ.]
17 (Our dependency should be on Christ, and
Him alone, our relationships with each other should be the
natural outflowing of our relationship with Christ.)
17 Eph 4:16
16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted
by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual
working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the
body unto the edifying of itself in love.
(KJV)
Rom 12:4-5
4 For as we have many members in one body, and all members
have not the same office:
5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one
members one of another.
(KJV)
Col 2:19
19 And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints
and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together,
increaseth with the increase of God.
(KJV)
1 Cor 12:25
25 That there should be no schism in the body; but that the
members should have the same care one for another.
(KJV)
136 “He created the church to meet your five deepest
needs:
a purpose to live for,
people to live with,
principles to live by,
a profession to live out,
and power to live on.”
[No scriptural reference for this statement. –
Wrong concept of church: Eph 4:12 "For the perfecting of the
saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the
body of Christ: (KJV) The church is designed for
BELIEVERS, who are then taught how to yield to the Word of
God, rather than how to fulfill their fleshly lusts (felt
needs).]
137 “The Christian life … includes a commitment
to other Christians.”
True, we should commit ourselves to a body of believers,
but not a false body based on the humanistic model of Peter
F. Drucker.
Ch. 18 [All about small “cell”
groups, and “community”.]
Authenticity (transparency). p. 139
Mutuality(interdependence) – depending on each other.
p.140
Accountability (to each other, not to God) p.140
139 Jesus ministered in the context of a small group of disciples.
...he knew twelve is about the maximum size you can have in
a small group if everyone is to participate. ... every Christian
needs to be involved in a small group within their church
... This is where real community takes place.
140 “Make this your common practice: Confess your sins
to each other and pray for each other so that you can live
together whole and healed.” James 5:16 (Msg.)
The Bible really says:
James 5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one
for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent
prayer of a righteous man availeth much.(KJV)
(Nothing about making this a common
practice, or confessing all of your sins on a regular basis
to a group of people.)
142 “When … our faith falters, that’s when
we need believing friends the most. We need a small group
of friends to have faith in God for us and to pull us through.”
143 “You were created for community.”
145 James 3:18
(The Message) You can develop a healthy, robust community
that lives right with God and enjoy its results only if you
do the hard work of getting along with each other, treating
each other with dignity and honor. [tolerance]
James 3:18
18 And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them
that make peace. (KJV)
146 Gal 6:1-2
Brothers and sisters, if someone in your group does something
wrong, you who are spiritual should go to that person and
gently help make him right again. (NCV)
Gal 6:1
Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual,
restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering
thyself, lest thou also be tempted.(KJV)
147 “…the tunnel of conflict is the passageway
to intimacy in any relationship.”
147-8 1 Cor 5: 3-12
You must not simply look the other way and hope it goes away
on its own. Bring it out in the open and deal with it …
(The Message)
Actually reads:
1 Cor 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are
without? do not ye judge them that are within?
avoids verse 13: But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore
put away from among yourselves that wicked person.(KJV)
150 The fellowship of the church is more important than any
individual.
God is very clear that we are to confront those who cause
division among Christians.19
19 Titus 3:10
Warn a divisive person once, and then warn him a second time.
After that, have nothing to do with him.(NIV)
The King James version of this verse
reads:
Titus 3:10 A man that is an heretick
after the first and second admonition reject; (KJV)
[So, anyone considered “divisive” is considered
to be a heretic.]
150 I urge you to make a group covenant that includes the
nine characteristics of biblical fellowship.
- share our true feelings (authenticity)
- encourage each other (mutuality)
- support each other (sympathy)
- forgive each other (mercy)
- speak the truth in love (honesty)
- admit our weaknesses (humility)
- respect our differences (courtesy)
- not gossip (confidentiality)
- make group a priority (frequency)
Matt 5:34 Swear not al
all…37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay,
nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.(KJV)
(Fellowship) means giving up our self-centeredness and independence
in order to become interdependent.
[A shift from being dependent upon
God, to being dependent upon the group.]
152 “Relationships are always worth restoring.”
“Paul taught that our ability to get along with others
is a mark of spiritual maturity.” Rom
15:5 (MSG):
Rom 15:5 Now the God of
patience and consolation grant you to be likeminded one toward
another according to Christ Jesus:(KJV)
155 Conflict resolution: “Nod that you understand even
when you don’t agree.”
[In other words, affirm that which you
do not agree with – LIE!]
158 [Putting aside differences for
the sake of relationship: Dialectic Synthesis]:
“Emphasise reconciliation, not resolution. …Reconciliation
focuses on the relationship, while resolution focuses on the
problem. … We can reestablish a relationship even when
we are unable to resolve our differences. .. we can disagree
without being disagreeable. … we can walk arm in arm
without seeing eye-to-eye on every issue.
Acts 15:38-40
38 But Paul thought not good to take him with them, who departed
from them from Pamphylia, and went not with them to the work.
39 And the contention was so sharp between them, that they
departed asunder one from the other: and so Barnabas took
Mark, and sailed unto Cyprus;
40 And Paul chose Silas, and departed, being recommended by
the brethren unto the grace of God.
(KJV)
161 Focus on what we have in common, not our differences.
“…for unity’s sake we must never let differences
divide us.”
162 Longing for the ideal while criticizing the real is evidence
of immaturity. … settling for the real without striving
for the ideal is complacency. Maturity is living with the
tension.”
166 You will give an account to God of how well you followed
your leaders.
167 “At Saddleback Church, every member signs a covenant
that includes a promise to protect the unity of our fellowship.”
191 “I cannot overstate the value of being a part of
a small Bible study group. We always learn from others truths
we would never learn on our own. Other people will help you
see insights you would miss and help you apply God’s
truth in a practical way.” [Dialectic, not didactic.]
250 [Find your spiritual gifts through
trial and error.]
281 Made for a Mission
285 Jesus, speaking to His disciples: “He said in essence,
“The details of my return are none of your business.
What is your business is the mission I’ve given you.
Focus on that!” Acts
1:7-8 (NIV) quoted, However He gave them
some details of His return in Matthew
24: 36-42 (and others).
300 Shift from local thinking to global thinking.
304 “What
steps can I take to prepare to go on a short-term missions
experience in the next year.”
[All
Christians are not called to be missionaries:
1 Cor 12:28 And God hath set some in the
church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers,
after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments,
diversities of tongues.29 Are all apostles? are all prophets?
are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? 30 Have all the
gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all
interpret?(KJV)] This agenda comes from Peter
F.Drucker, a humanist who has influenced Saddleback (and
numerous other “churches.)” – His goal is to gain global
equality via communitarianism – a blending of communism and
capitalism that results in communism. The humanists believe
that they can attain worldwide peace and prosperity (apart from
God). Regarding peace, the humanists believe that national
sovereignties and religious differences are the causes of all
wars. In order for the Christian church to fit into all of
this, it must abandon it’s position of moral absolutism and
focus on relationship-building (ecumenism). On page 124 Warren
states: ”Relationships must have priority in your life
above everything else.” The Lord warned us against
putting any human relationship above our relationship with
Him: Matt 10:37 He that loveth father or mother more
than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter
more than me is not worthy of me.(KJV) Additionally,
the church must be convinced that they must contribute to
worldwide wealth equity – thus, the emphasis here on EVERYBODY
participating in missions experiences.]
313
“You should develop a purpose statement for your life and then
review it regularly.” –
[No
scripture quoted –
again comes straight from transformational Marxists.]
More to come from Bob Klenck . . . Please feel free to contact
Bob and also pray for him as he provides clear and important
answers.
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